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hello

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and welcome to episode number 21 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i'm your host exo academian

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for some time now here on the point of

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convergence podcast

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we've been discussing the many ways that

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various forms of high strangeness

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tend to well converge as we've discussed

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previously

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often that means an individual who's

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experienced one form of high strangeness

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is quite likely to have experienced

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others as well

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the crossover effect as one might call

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it

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involves everything from ndes near-death

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experiences

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to contact with deceased discarnate

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human beings

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to obes out-of-body experiences to ufo

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sightings

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and apparent contact with non-human

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intelligences

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as well as a wide variety of psi

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phenomena or what used to be called

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esp or extrasensory perception including

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clairvoyance

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telepathy psychokinesis precognition

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and more a central question that arises

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from the wella-tested data we've just

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discussed

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is what makes these more sensitive

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people the way they are

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how is it that they are so much more

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attuned to this apparently broader

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bandwidth

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of reality than the rest of the

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population

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are they harbingers of what's to come a

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glimpse into the emerging evolutionary

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track of humankind in general

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and regarding this shift into these new

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capacities

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are these gifts as one might refer to

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them natural

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or have such people been genetically

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enhanced somehow

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perhaps by the intervention of a more

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the fascinating but bewildering case of

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ted owens is an interesting case in

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as it pertains to this question

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not only was ted owens a man who seemed

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to know the future

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and be able to to absolutely

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discombobulating degrees

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actually manifest it but he claimed to

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have had these astounding and

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well-documented powers

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because of the very kind of alien

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in fact owens went further not only did

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he claim that he had been entrained

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and led into certain kinds of life

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experiences from early childhood on

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by these highly advanced non-human

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but he also insisted he had been

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to fine-tune and further greatly enhance

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his innate predispositions

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for psychic and psychokinetic activity

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indeed owens claims all of the

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psychokinetic feats he went on to

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were done in partnership with what he

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who were orbiting the earth in vast

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sophisticated spacecraft

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that remained cloaked to the majority of

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owen's account about how he received his

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one thing is clear he had these gifts

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and he had them to degrees it is fair to

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not seen perhaps in any other human

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and most compellingly this is not merely

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no owen's case is very well attested as

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well respected parapsychologist

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sphere for his role as host

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of the program new thinking aloud

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followed and documented owen's exploits

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decade ultimately resulting in mishlov's

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much respected book

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the pk man how is it that a human being

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is able to will into existence phenomena

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as astounding as these exploits were was

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this more about precognition

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did owens somehow just know this was

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which is of course astounding enough all

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or did he actually in reality manifest

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and if the latter is the case did he

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with the assistance and sometimes

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that was orbiting the planet at the very

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times these events

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were predicted and then occurred as

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regardless of where we land with these

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particular questions

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the implications for the future of the

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human race and for our very

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models of reality are perplexing and

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these paradigm fracturing issues are the

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the 21st episode of the point of

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i'd like to begin this week's episode

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with a question

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why is this case the case of ted owens

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as compelling as it is

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so little disgust in ufology circles

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you do hear about it sometimes but not

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very often

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you're more likely in fact to hear it

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discussed in parapsychology circles

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is it because it's just simply too weird

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there's too much of a blend

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of ufos mixed with parapsychological

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it's certainly probably too weird for

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many of the nuts and bolts researchers

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who are looking for clear questions and

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clear answers to do with space aliens

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and nothing else but this case is much

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more complex than that

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it's as much about who we are as who

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as i mentioned in the introduction part

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of what makes this case so compelling

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is not just the feats of ted owens but

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the fact that many of these feats were

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by jeffrey mishlov a well-known and

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well-respected parapsychologist

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now michelle first heard about the owens

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case from russell tark

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and hal puthoff who were conducting a

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remote viewing program

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at sri run on behalf of and funded by

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when targ and puthoff congratulated

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owens for some predictions that he made

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he actually boasted i didn't just

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predict them i

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caused them but they ultimately had to

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pass this case on to mishlov because

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they already had the feeling

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that there was heat on them because they

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were involved in so many controversial

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and now i'd like to quote from jeffrey

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mishlov's book the pk

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man a true story of mind over matter

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which again

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documents 10 years of studying this ted

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quote i was particularly interested in

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the signed statement from mensa director

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of science

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and education max l fogle phd

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stating that owens had produced a bona

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fide ufo sighting on demand

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owens had written to fogle on october 23

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claiming that he was about to contact

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the space intelligences

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and make a ufo appear to police within a

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of cape charles virginia two days later

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a ufo appeared directly over the head of

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now again this was early on in mishlov's

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involvement with owens

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but this was impressive to mishlov and

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then we move on to a section where

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mishlov asks if owens can do it again

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and in a way that mishlov can actually

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document and verify

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and quoting from the book again quote i

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suggested to owens that he'd try to

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replicate this type of demonstration in

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at the time i did not realize just what

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owens wrote back to me on november 7th

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promising a performance more provocative

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psi force abilities to the people who

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a hundred miles in circumference using

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area it is my intent to produce not one

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as described above

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within the above name time period to be

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reported in the newspapers in order for

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the experiment to be a valid one

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unquote now that is quite the prediction

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quite the promise that owens made to

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and yet owens came through

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when astounding well attested ufos were

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seen this is what mishlov concluded

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quote it was an unusual sighting as well

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as a stunning one

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the fact that it occurred so soon after

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documentaries on this subject

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still they are rare enough and i do not

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know of another sighting as dramatic as

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this one in the san francisco bay area

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in the decades following this event

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crystallized my thinking with regard to

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owen's claims

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i could not determine whether he

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predicted this ufo sighting

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or caused it through psychokinesis or

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arranged for it by telepathically

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with alien space intelligences but it

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was clear to me that such a dramatic

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event was no mere coincidence

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it had to involve some combination of

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the aforementioned three factors

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as impressive as that was that owens was

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able to predict or in his words

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the powers of ted owens were i'd like to

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mention a few historical cases

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first let's discuss an early weather

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manipulation experiment

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quoting from the book again quote in a

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discussion among the parapsychology

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laboratory workers

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someone had brought up the subject of

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native american rain dances

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and their alleged efficacy since he had

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no reason to doubt that pk could be used

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to produce precipitation

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owens figured that perhaps he possessed

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the same ability

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as these thoughts came back to him it

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dawned on him what he should do

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he told martha that a sudden idea had

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entered his head

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and he went out into the yard behind the

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house pointed his finger at the sky

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envisioned lightning emanating from it

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and projected the words

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rain storm lightning into the air

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martha looked on sympathetically and

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after owens engaged in his little

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exercise for a few minutes asked him if

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it was all there was to it

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owens reported it wasn't too long before

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the sky grew

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black and they had a knock-down drag-out

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storm

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with lightning hitting everywhere and

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rain pouring down

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it hadn't rained in months there so i

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said to martha that on a semi-scientific

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basis

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the storm didn't prove anything because

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it could have been coincidence

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so i'll have to wait some more so i

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waited two or three days

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until it got hot and sunny again and

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then i went out and repeated my

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demonstration

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i also wrote to the newspapers about my

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plan but of course they ignored me

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rain came down in buckets according to

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owens but this time his wife's reaction

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wasn't

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awe she had hung up her wash earlier in

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the day and was not delighted

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unquote now as i said that was one of

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owen's earlier

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experiments with weather manipulation

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but he really perfected this technique

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and later on

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he made predictions that were then

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documented and verified by professionals

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like mishlov and others

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quoting from the book again quote the

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psychic made his next prediction on

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october 17th when he told one of his

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contacts a philadelphia lawyer

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named dennis capussin that he was about

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to interfere with the course of a

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hurricane

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then bellowing off florida's western

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coast

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he thereupon drew a map of the hurricane

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area for his friend

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showing gladys then still only a storm

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veering away from florida as it had been

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doing during

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its normal northwest bearings owens told

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capuzin that he was

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planning to erect a wall in front of the

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hurricane

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and make it turn towards the east right

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into florida

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the very afternoon of owen's visit to

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capucin gladys came to a complete stop

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began changing direction and proceeded

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to head directly for florida

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this was quite a surprise to weathermen

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who had already announced that florida

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was out of danger from the storm's wrath

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the reason for gladys's abrupt about

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face according to the national hurricane

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center

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was the formation of a high pressure

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area that had developed west of the

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hurricane

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this itself might sound reasonable but

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gladys was behaving in a peculiar

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fashion by hurricane standards

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in october 18th story about the storm

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printed in the new york times

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especially noted that the hurricane

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veered suddenly

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and had caught many of the cities more

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than a million residents by surprise

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the story further related that because

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of its prior due north course

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florida residents had already relaxed

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their guard and even weathermen were

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taken by surprise

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unquote again

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these accounts sound outlandish they do

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away with

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typical paradigms about reality and how

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it works

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even people who do believe psychokinesis

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which is what pk stands for

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is possible don't usually think it can

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be used to this degree

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that a human being can direct the course

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of a hurricane

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and it wasn't just hurricanes again

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tornadoes lightning

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blackouts owens also predicted

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and ended droughts both in florida

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california as well as in

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england it really was amazing how

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wide-ranging the events

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he apparently not only predicted but

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manifested somehow

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again he would try and get people to

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take him seriously about this

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he would contact journalists and various

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government officials to tell them what

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was going to happen

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in hopes that they would want to hire

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him so he could use his

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gift for good but mostly he was just

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ignored

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as outrageous and unlikely as these

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events seem today

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in 2021 remember this was the 1970s

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when such notions were even more

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outlandish

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now let's discuss another of owens

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exploits

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this involved a radar experiment as it

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turns out owens knew a radar operator

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and he managed to get himself into this

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facility that had radar equipment

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and what basically owens tried to do was

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psychically manifest objects that would

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show up on the radar

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so he would psycho kinetically project

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objects into the atmosphere

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in the area that this radar covered and

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sure enough

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this radar operator confirmed in fact

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for people like mishlov

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that indeed blips did show up on the

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radar showing that

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this experiment was successful that is

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amazing enough

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what is shocking though is that not long

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after

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in the days following two planes

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actually crashed in the very

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area that owens had been conducting his

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experiment in

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and it suggested that perhaps there is a

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lingering effect there's some evidence

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of this

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on multiple occasions where owens would

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do things psychokinetically

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and the uh change would last for a while

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it would affect the environment for some

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time

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and so here people postulate perhaps

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these planes crashed

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because of anomalies in the atmosphere

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now just to be clear of course owens had

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no idea this was going to happen

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at this point he had no idea that this

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lingering effect was even an issue

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but it just raises to our attention how

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serious these matters are

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and how responsible people who can

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conduct these kind of experiments

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to really drive this point home i'd like

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to recount one additional

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event that happened around owens and his

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powers

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and in this case owens actually was

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responsible and even mishlov

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holds him morally culpable for what

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happened

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as it turns out owens was flying back to

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the united states

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and was drunk actually which was not

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uncommon for him

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and sometimes this would actually

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increase his capacity somehow

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in a way we don't fully understand nor

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did he understand

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but on this plane trip back he was

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bragging to a stewardess about his

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ability to

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manifest lightning on demand and he was

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actually showing her

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a magazine article that was talking

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about

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his exploits with lightning and as it

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turns out

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believe it or not the plane in front of

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them was struck by lightning

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and crashed people died it is not common

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for planes to be struck by lightning

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and crash they are struck by lightning

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but generally it doesn't force them down

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out of the sky

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that's what happened in this case it

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happened at the very time

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owens was talking to this stewardess

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about his ability to manifest

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lightning and so it makes you wonder is

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it connected

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it's certainly a massive coincidence if

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not

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and again it just shows how morally

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responsible

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such people need to be and unfortunately

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owens

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culpable in the sense that he intended

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for this plane to be

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hit by lightning he certainly did not it

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was an occurrence that seemed to arise

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suddenly spontaneously because he was

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talking about it perhaps

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but he still needs to be responsible and

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anyone with that kind of gifting

519
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still needs to be aware of that when

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they can manifest this spontaneously

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and perhaps when his consciousness level

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is lowered because he actually is

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consuming alcohol

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that might be more likely and believe it

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or not

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j alan heineck indeed was aware of ted

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owens

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and when michelle asked heinek if he'd

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like to meet owens

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hynek said no thank you he fully

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believed

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that owens had this gift but he also

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recognized that his consciousness level

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often didn't rise to the challenge and

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hanek felt that sometimes

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unconsciously owens was manifesting

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things around him and so

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heinek basically didn't consider him

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safe to be around because of this

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now when parapsychologists look at the

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owens case

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a curiosity occurs to them it's

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sometimes difficult to know

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which psi abilities he was actually

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demonstrating

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because they can blend into each other

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quoting from the book again

548
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,360
quote ed may is correct in pointing out

549
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the uncanny relationship between

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ostensible

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psychokinesis and precognition

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in many instances it is not so easy to

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determine

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whether an event was caused or predicted

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in fact my dissertation chairman at

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berkeley the noted philosopher of

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science

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michael scriven showed me that the very

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concept of causation

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is riddled with problems in normal

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language we assume

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causation to function like glue linking

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one event to the next

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philosophically however the concept is

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vulnerable to much criticism

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our concept of time is not as neat and

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tidy

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as it seems when we sit watching the

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so what mishlov is basically saying here

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is in regards to ted owens it's

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sometimes difficult to determine

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whether he was merely precognizing in

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other words knowing ahead of time

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that something was going to happen and

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claiming it as his ability to create

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or if he actually was psychokinetically

577
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:51,360
manifesting things

578
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,640
into reality as he claimed

579
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,559
in some ways all we have to go by is

580
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:58,640
what owen said he was doing

581
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:00,960
it's difficult to know with some degree

582
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,360
of certainty either way

583
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:05,280
that said there were occasions in the

584
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:06,960
midst of a conversation with someone

585
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:07,760
like mishlov

586
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:09,679
and others that owens would seem to

587
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,960
spontaneously say

588
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:12,240
watch this and then he would do

589
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,320
something sometimes in response to

590
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,720
someone asking him to do such a thing

591
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:18,720
so accounts like that certainly lend

592
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,320
credence to this idea that he was

593
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:23,039
actually psychokinetically manifesting

594
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:23,760
reality

595
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:30,070
now as i mentioned in the introduction

596
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:31,440
central to this story

597
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:34,559
is the inclusion of apparently non-human

598
00:21:38,110 --> 00:21:36,000
alien intelligences

599
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:38,120
who owens referred to as both

600
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:41,120
extraterrestrial and interdimensional

601
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,840
owens claimed these ets made contact

602
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:45,360
with him as a child

603
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:47,840
and eventually abducted and operated on

604
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:48,400
him

605
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,760
to enhance his innate capabilities

606
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:53,520
they also led him through a series of

607
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:54,799
life experiences

608
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:58,320
and jobs in preparation for his later

609
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:01,039
tasks and quoting from the book again

610
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,080
quote

611
00:22:05,230 --> 00:22:04,240
after talking personally to owens about

612
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:05,240
this matter

613
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,400
parapsychologist d scott rogo and i

614
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:10,320
have come to accept the fact that owens

615
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:11,600
really did believe

616
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:14,640
this operation took place he had

617
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:16,799
an odd indentation running along the

618
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,000
base of his skull

619
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:19,919
that he claimed was a remnant of this

620
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:21,120
operation

621
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:22,880
but whether this was a result of a bone

622
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,360
deformation accident or whatever

623
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,000
we were in no position to say it was

624
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,080
such a curious indentation though

625
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:31,919
that owens liked to show it to people

626
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,679
claiming it was physical proof

627
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:35,679
that he had been abducted and operated

628
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:41,029
now it's important to make one point

629
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:44,000
very clear as amazing as these feats of

630
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,000
psychokinetic ability were

631
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:48,080
owens didn't claim to be doing this all

632
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,360
on his own

633
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,600
now he claimed to be doing these feats

634
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:53,039
in partnership with

635
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:55,360
an alien intelligence that was orbiting

636
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:56,080
the earth

637
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,520
in cloaked spacecraft and regarding how

638
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,679
communication happened with these

639
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:03,679
intelligences this is what owens had to

640
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:04,559
say

641
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:07,039
quoting again from the book quote while

642
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,039
ted owens could not recall ever meeting

643
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:11,520
the space intelligences face to face

644
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:12,799
he developed several ways of

645
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,039
communicating with them some of these

646
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:17,120
contacts were instantaneous

647
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,320
the commands from the space

648
00:23:21,230 --> 00:23:20,240
intelligences would be complete and

649
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,240
transmitted

650
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,760
instantaneously one moment you are

651
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,520
working at something he claimed and the

652
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:27,120
next moment you have received

653
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:29,120
all of this space intelligence's

654
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:30,240
information

655
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,830
now in that passage was an important

656
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:36,960
nugget

657
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,960
when owens talked about receiving these

658
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,080
instantaneous

659
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,200
and complete instruction packs basically

660
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,919
they would just download instantaneously

661
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,360
that's what we often call them

662
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,400
in today's discussion downloads

663
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,480
that wasn't so much the term used in the

664
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:53,760
1970s

665
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,360
but that's what we use now because we

666
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,520
have the metaphor of computers

667
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,520
basically sometimes people do experience

668
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,000
this this is part of the ufo phenomenon

669
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:04,240
that people will suddenly completely

670
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:05,279
download

671
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,200
full packets of large amounts of

672
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:09,039
information sometimes even data that

673
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,320
they don't understand

674
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,720
sometimes even technical information for

675
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,960
someone who's not particularly technical

676
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:16,880
and they can't even really grapple with

677
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:19,039
or comprehend what they've downloaded

678
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,559
and sometimes they have to seek out

679
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:22,400
others who do specialize in those

680
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:23,600
technical areas

681
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,630
now another interesting tidbit of

682
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,880
information from owen's recounting

683
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:33,039
of his experiences with the space

684
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,080
intelligence

685
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,480
is their appearance he actually said

686
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:38,320
they resembled grasshoppers they were

687
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,000
basically

688
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,520
insectoid-like in appearance and of

689
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:43,760
course we see this quite commonly

690
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:46,880
in the literature of the ufo phenomenon

691
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,360
quoting again from the book here quote

692
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,679
another way owens initiated contact with

693
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:53,039
the space intelligences

694
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:55,039
is through a visualization technique

695
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,559
that he claimed he learned from the

696
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:58,559
entities themselves

697
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:01,440
owens wrote in his 1969 book how to

698
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,080
contact space people

699
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:06,480
they showed me in my mind's eye a small

700
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:07,120
chamber

701
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:11,200
creatures resembling grasshoppers

702
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,400
and insect-like but standing on two legs

703
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,480
these creatures looked down into a large

704
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:18,320
round oval machine

705
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:21,200
in it they could see me if i talked they

706
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:23,120
heard the sound but the machine quickly

707
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:24,240
turned the sound

708
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:27,200
into symbols then the cymbals into very

709
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:28,159
high frequency

710
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,279
sound which they could understand thus i

711
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,960
would talk to them in english which

712
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,159
would jump around

713
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,559
into odd symbols on the screen then

714
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:38,559
result in a high whistling sound which

715
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:40,840
they understood

716
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:44,159
unquote now i found this particular

717
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,640
account

718
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:46,559
of the communication process between

719
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,080
owens and these

720
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:50,000
non-human intelligences quite

721
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,200
interesting

722
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:53,919
because in this case as much as owens

723
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:54,640
demonstrated

724
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,520
real psy capabilities the communication

725
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,440
actually wasn't telepathic

726
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,440
it actually involved this translation

727
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,880
technique with symbols

728
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:04,960
and one frequency of sound being

729
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,799
converted to another frequency of sound

730
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,480
so the communication could happen back

731
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:09,600
and forth

732
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,390
now clearly this case of ted owens and

733
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,760
his interaction with

734
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:20,320
these space intelligences is as

735
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:21,919
fascinating as it is

736
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:25,279
bewildering and it raises some complex

737
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:28,720
and mystifying questions number one

738
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:31,520
what does this mean for human potentials

739
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:34,000
how much power do we already possess

740
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,840
though for most of us it is a dormant

741
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,000
potentiality

742
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,799
perhaps if consciousness is central and

743
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,640
therefore matter and energy are merely

744
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:44,720
derivatives of consciousness

745
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:47,679
and we are agents of consciousness then

746
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,240
perhaps

747
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:50,559
almost limitless capacities are within

748
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:51,520
our reach

749
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,720
at least potentially

750
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,880
now just think if more people could

751
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:58,720
manifest these kinds of powers

752
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:01,520
and even do it collectively then

753
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,400
problems such as

754
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:04,559
energy challenges and the related matter

755
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:05,760
of global warming

756
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,200
could be solved almost overnight

757
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,960
of course this highlights the larger

758
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,559
issue which has to do with our

759
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:14,799
consciousness or more specifically

760
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:17,120
the lack of moral maturity our present

761
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:18,080
civilization

762
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,279
operates under this same conundrum was

763
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:23,279
demonstrated in the mercurial figure of

764
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,399
ted owens

765
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,960
who began by wanting to do good and help

766
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:27,840
humanity

767
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,320
but sometimes grew vengeful and angry

768
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:32,320
when others refused to acknowledge

769
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:35,279
or in most cases even entertain his

770
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:40,470
also central to this discussion is to

771
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:41,360
what degree

772
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:44,640
and outside non-human alien intelligence

773
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,399
whether extraterrestrial or

774
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,320
interdimensional or both

775
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:51,039
is involved either directly or

776
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:52,640
indirectly

777
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:55,440
regardless one thing seems clear these

778
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:56,080
issues

779
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:59,440
are connected this is what mishlov

780
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:00,480
concluded

781
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:03,840
quote i was convinced in 1976 that the

782
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,080
mystery of extrasensory perception

783
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,720
was inextricably intertwined with the

784
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,720
mystery of ufos

785
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,720
i had written as much in the roots of

786
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:14,480
consciousness while i was still a

787
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,080
graduate student

788
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:18,399
it seemed self-evident to me but the

789
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:19,600
idea was threatening

790
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,240
to other parapsychological researchers

791
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,760
they had enough trouble with one

792
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,200
paranormal field

793
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,600
all by itself and did not want to suffer

794
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:28,960
the additional stigma

795
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:31,440
of being associated with a second

796
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,789
and now i offer this concluding thought

797
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,120
for your consideration

798
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:41,360
we keep coming back to this notion that

799
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:42,960
currently we are a people

800
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:45,919
a species standing at the precipice of a

801
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:48,480
newly perceived and still emerging model

802
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:51,600
of reality one that is deeper broader

803
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,480
and richer

804
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:54,640
than the one we've entertained and lived

805
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:55,520
according to

806
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:58,799
up until now this dawning paradigm

807
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:59,600
promises

808
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:02,240
the possibility not just of the enhanced

809
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,080
capacities we've discussed

810
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:06,480
in light of the ted owens case but of a

811
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:07,200
new world

812
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:10,240
entirely if we can take it

813
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,120
that is both entertain it and embrace

814
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,799
and embody it

815
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,960
and perhaps not surprisingly we are

816
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,720
finding ironically

817
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:20,799
that the greatest and perhaps only

818
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:23,440
obstacle currently standing in our way

819
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:30,389
and on that note we've come to the close

820
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,600
of another edition

821
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:34,080
of the point of convergence podcast

822
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:35,520
let's keep this conversation

823
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:38,640
going and growing but until next time

824
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:39,200
friends

825
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,559
from deep within the blue ridge